Sunday, 14 June 2015

OTHER HISTORICAL REFERENCES AS EVIDENCE


 

OTHER HISTORICAL REFERENCES AS EVIDENCE

 

Evidence from the JEWISH SOURCES:

 

Talmud, b. Sanhedrin 43a: On the eve of the Passover Yeshu [Jesus] was hanged [or crucified]. ... Since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover.

 

The Amoa "Ulla" (Ulla was a disciple of Youchanan and lived in Palestine at the end of the third century) adds: "And do you suppose that for (Yeshu of Nazareth - Jesus) there was any right of appeal? He was a beguiler, and the Merciful One hath said: "Thou shalt not spare neither shalt thou conceal him." It is otherwise with Yeshu, for He was near to the civil authority.

 

Note here that the writers of the Talmud took their job seriously. These men were Jews who did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah.  They were not Christians but they documented Christ's crucifixion.

 

 

 

EVIDENCE FROM ROMAN SOURCES:

 

Cornelius Tacitus in his Annals, xv. 44: Christus ... was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontious Pilate.

 

Lucian of Samosata: (Christ was) the man who was crucified in Palestine

 

 

Note here that these men were professional historians. They researched their work before publishing it. They also documented Christ's crucifixion.

 

 

Therefore, three types of witness all of whom are from the 1st or early 2nd century have been presented.

 

 

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INFORMATION SURROUNDING ROMAN CRUCIFIXION AND CHRIST'S DEATH

 

Jesus could have never survived crucifixion, Romans were very careful to eliminate that possibility. Roman law laid the death penalty on anyone who bungled an execution.

 

The fact that the Roman soldier did not break Jesus legs, the procedure for hastening death, indicates that He had already died. The other two prisoners legs were broken. To breathe while hanging on a cross one had to push oneself up with one&146; legs, otherwise one would asphyxiate. That is why the legs of the crucified were often broken; to prevent the crucified person from pushing himself up to breathe. Obviously Jesus, out of exhaustion, stopped breathing and died before the soldiers needed to break His legs.  If Jesus were not dead, it would have been obvious because he would have been pushing himself up and down the cross to breathe. The Roman executioners were experts, they would not have been fooled. Some people have claimed that the Roman guards were really trying to save Jesus life by not breaking His legs. Why would the Roman guards try to save someone who was a seen as a threat to the empire? Further, by not insuring Christ's death, the Roman guards were putting their own lives at risk.

 

Jesus died from many different problems, one was the actual crucifixion. But before the crucifixion, Jesus was beaten and flogged. He was so exhausted that another man had to carry his cross.

 

To elaborate on the whipping, the Romans would strip a person down to the waist and would tie him in the courtyard. Then they would take a whip that had a handle about a foot and a half long. At the end of the handle, it had four leather thongs with heavy, jagged bones or balls of lead with jagged edges, wound into the end of the straps. There were a minimum of five straps of different lengths.  The Romans would bring the whip down over the back of the individual and all the balls of lead or bone would hit the body at the same time. The Jews would only permit 40 lashes, so they never did more than 39 so they wouldn't break the law if they miscounted. The Romans, however, were unhindered.  They could lash as many times as they wanted. So, when the Romans whipped a Jew, they struck 41 or more lashes out of spite to the Jews.  So Jesus had suffered at least 41 lashes.

 

There are several medical authorities that have done research on the crucifixion. One is Dr. C. Truman Davis, in the state of Arizona. He is a medical doctor who has performed meticulous study of the crucifixion from a medical perspective. Here he gives the effect of the Roman flogging: "The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again across (a person's) shoulders, back and legs. At first, the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continue, they cut deeper into the subcutalleous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles. The small balls of lead first produce large, deep bruises, which the others cut wide open. Finally, the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons, and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue."

 

Many people would die just from the whipping alone.  After Jesus was whipped, they took Him out to the execution area and drove spikes into His wrists and His feet.  It says that late that Friday afternoon they broke the legs of the two thieves hanging with Jesus, but they did not break His legs.  He was on the cross and they'd already acknowledged Him being dead.  Now the Roman executioners speared Jesus.  This was the method by which an executioner checked to see if a still victim was in fact dead.  If blood and pericardial fluid came out as in Jesus' case, it was an indication of death and there was no need for the legs to be broken to hasten death so that the cross could re-used for the next victim.  Eyewitness accounts said blood and water came out separated - indicating Jesus was already dead.

 

 

 

Ahmed Deedat, in his booklet "Crucifixion or Cruci-Fiction," appealed to this phenomenon (the excretion of blood and pericardial fluid coming out) as evidence that Christ was still alive.  He supports this in his writing, by an appeal to an article in the Thinkers Digest 1949, by an anesthesiologist.  Today, there is more medical research by various people in this area.

 

To comment on Deedat's error: first, from a scholastic viewpoint: many medical and university or varsity libraries that once carried this journal, no longer do so. It is considered by many in the medical field to be behind the medical times.

 

Second, from a medical viewpoint:  a wound of the type inflicted on Jesus, if the person were still alive, would not bleed out the wound opening but bleed into the chest cavity, causing an internal hemorrhage.  At the aperture of the wound, the blood would be barely oozing from the opening.  For a spear to form a perfect channel that would allow the blood and serum to flow out the spear wound is next to impossible.  The massive internal damage done to a person under crucifixion together with spearing in the area near the heart, would cause death almost immediately.  The State of Massachusetts General Hospital, performed over a period of years, research on people who died of a ruptured heart.  Normally, a heart has 20 cc's of pericardial fluid.  When a person dies of a ruptured heart, there is more than 500 cc's of pericardial fluid, and it would come out in the form of a fluid and clotted blood. Perhaps this is what was viewed when Christ was stabbed by the spear thrust.

 

 

 

 

PILATE'S REACTION

 

Pilate was somewhat surprised that Christ was already dead.  When a man named Joseph asked for the body Pilate called a centurion and said, "I want you to go and confirm to me that Jesus is dead." This centurion was not a fool. He was not about ready to leave his wife a widow.  The centurion would always check with four different executioners in order to ensure himself of the validity of the death warrent. That was according to what the Roman law required. There had to be four executioners, so that in case one man was was a little lax, the other ones would catch him in it. And you would never have all four being lax in signing the death warrant.

 

Discipline was severe with the Romans. For example, when the angel let Peter out of jail in Acts 12 in the New Testament, Herod called in the guard and executed them all - just for letting one man out of jail. In Acts 16 the doors had been opened up in the jail for Paul and Silas, their chains had been loosened, and the moment the guard saw they were freed, he pulled out his own sword to execute himself. And Paul said, "Wait a minute!" You see, that guard knew what would happen if the prisoners escaped. The prison guard would be executed. He decided he would rather die by his own sword, than be executed by the Romans.

 

So, Pilate had Jesus' death verified [refer Mark 15:45], and he gave Jesus' body over to Joseph to be buried.

 

 

 

DISCUSSION

 

Ample proof for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ.

 

Let me suggest a 4 part test for determining the credibility of witnesses. It is based on David Hume's criteria.

 

1)         Do the witnesses contradict each other?

2)         Are there a sufficient number of witnesses?

3)         Were the witnesses truthful?

4)         Were they non-prejudicial?

 

 

Part #1. The answer to this question is the witnesses do not contradict each other. The Christian, Roman, and Jewish witnesses all agree that Jesus was crucified.

 

Part #2. There is indeed a sufficient number of witnesses. Several witnesses from Christian sources, and two witnesses from Roman and Jewish sources have been presented.  There are actually more witnesses that could be mentioned, but this is enough.

 

Part #3. The witnesses were truthful.  There is no documented evidence contradicting what the witnesses presented.  All of the early sources that mention Jesus' death, all state that He was crucified.

 

Part #4. A case could be made for the Christian sources being prejudicial; however, they were Christians because they witnessed Christ's death AND CHRIST'S RESURRECTION. The Jewish and Roman witnesses were clearly not prejudicial.

 

 

 

CONCLUSION

 

Jesus Christ was crucified.  All of the known evidence supports and corroborates the crucifixion.  There is no legitimate reason doubting Christ’s crucifixion

 

Muhammad and the Quran are flawed.  Muhammad made an error when he said that Christ was not crucified.  Muhammad was not a true prophet, he was a false prophet.  The Quran is not the word of God.

 

 

More for my Muslim friend

More for my Muslim friend....
Something more to make you think....
THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS!!!!!!!

HISTORIANS FROM THREE CIVILISATIONS KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED..IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT FROM UNBELIEVING HISTORIANS FROM GREEK ROMAN AND JEWISH THAT AROUND 33AD JESUS OF NAZARETH WAS PUT TO A CRUEL DEATH....
NOW ALONG COME A PERSON 700 YEARS LATER AND TELLS THE CIVILISED AND HIGHLY EDUCATED WORLD OF ROMAN GREEK AND JEWISH HISTORIANS (NOT CONNIVING TOGETHER AS THEY WERE ANTI CHRISTIAN) THAT THEY HAD ALL FALSELY REPORTED THIS HISTORICAL FACTUAL EVENT..FRIEND!!!!! THAT IS JUST RIDICULOUS!!!!  

Helping a Muslim to see the Truth

the reason why I can't believe in Jesus, is because i can't feel comfortable or FREE with the idea of believing in three Gods at once !!!
I feel that i am in peace because i believe in One..The One- and Only God.
and I know he listen to me and he loves and he knows me..
but 3 gods is just too much !!!
and also you always talk about jesus only..but what about "The Father" How come you Love "the son" more than "the father" ?!?!!??
and with all due respect but i think that the whole "trinity" idea, and that "God Is One In Three" Is stupid.
because God is an absolute thing...either there is ONE GOD or there isn't..it can't be three in one !!!!
and i want to say finally that I love you mr.michael and I respect U so much, even though I believe that it's me who is in the side of the Truth.

OMAR YOU HAVE MADE A VERY GOOD POINT....THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS MYSTERY FROM A HUMAN POINT OF VIEW WITH JUST A HUMAN MIND..IF I WAS TO ASK YOU WHO MADE GOD??
You would not be able to answer me IN A RATIONAL WAY..YOU COULD ONLY SAY..NO ONE...THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE..BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND ONLY IN TIME...GOD WAS IN THE BEGINNING BUT WHAT WAS BEFORE THE BEGINNING?
WE KNOW THAT AS WE GO UP AND UP IN SPACE THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE NO END..JUST UP AND UP AND UP FOR ETERNITY...INFINITY..NO END...IF THERE WAS AN END, WHAT WOULD BE THE OTHER SIDE?
ANYWAY HERE IS WHAT I FOUND ON THE WEB..



The Holy Trinity: A Simple Explanation for Children

Son: Dad? How can God be three in one and one in three? That seems crazy.

Father: Criminy, son. Can’t you ask me an easier question, like how an electron can be a particle and a wave at the same time?

Son: Right now, it’s the Trinity I’m worried about.

Father: OK, I’ll take a shot at it. The first thing you should be clear on is that God is not both three and one of the same sort of thing. That would be like saying that I had three oranges that are one orange, or three lines that are one line. It would be a flat contradiction.

Son: So you mean that he is three in one way, and one in another?

Father: Yes.

Son: OK. But what are the two ways?

Father: Well, take a string quartet. On the one hand, it’s four men. On the other, it’s the Guarneri Quartet, a single item. Clear?

Son: Sure.

Father: OK, good. Forget that notion. The Trinity means nothing of the sort.

Son: Great. I guess that would have been the easy way out, huh?

Father: Right. No such luck. But it does give us our first clue. Like the four men of the quartet and the quartet itself, the three Persons of the Trinity are different sorts of things than the One being of God. It’s just that in the Trinity, the Three are not separated from each other into different things, like the men of the quartet.

Son: What are the different types of things in God?

Father: Well, God is one in being – that is, he is one actual thing – in which there are three Persons. The difference is between a thing that has a personal aspect to it, and the person who is the personal aspect of that thing.

Son: I don’t get it. If a thing has a personal aspect, then doesn’t that mean that it is a person?

Father: Not quite. I mean, yes; but there is more to it than that. Think of yourself. There is the person of you, and then there is the thing of you at a given time. The thing of you is more than just the person of you. It is also a sack of fluids, of a certain size and weight, organized in a certain way, and so forth. Sometimes it is sick, sometimes asleep. It might even be in a coma. The person of you is just one aspect of the thing we all call “David.”

Son: I’m not so sure of that. Isn’t the person of me always the same thing as the whole of me?

Father: No. When you were two, you were the same person you are now, right?

Son: Yeah.

Father: Well, does it make sense to say that the *person* of David was three feet tall when you were two, or does it make more sense to say that the *body* of David was three feet tall?

Son: The body, I guess.

Father: Right. You are the same *person* you were then, but you now have almost completely different properties as a *concrete being* than you did when you were two. Just look at you now: a strapping young lad. Back then, you were just a baby in diapers. Not only are you bigger and stronger, but almost all the particles that made up your body at age two are gone. It’s like the difference between an acorn and a mighty oak. The acorn and the oak are not the same thing at all, are they?

Son: No, not really. I suppose you’re going to talk about the caterpillar and the butterfly next.

Father: A good bet. You’re right. Same sort of thing. But then, when you think about it, the same sort of analysis holds between any two moments of your life. What you’ve got with a human person is a single life, distributed across a whole series of different beings, that exist in different places in the universe. I mean, when you think about it, the me and you of right now are many thousands of miles away from the me and you of just a moment ago, thanks to the velocity of the Earth and our Solar System through space.

Son: Right. If we were to go back in time even a minute, we’d find ourselves in outer space.

Father: Yes! The you of right now is in a completely different orientation to the whole universe than the you of a moment ago. Considered in those terms, there’s almost nothing about the you of now that is like the you of a moment ago.

Son: Yet I’m still me. So, OK. What *is* a person, anyway?

Father: That’s a pretty big question in its own right. For the time being, let’s just look at the origin of the word. It comes from the Greek prosopon, by which the Greeks meant “mask.” A prosopon was a mask worn by an actor in a Greek drama, to signify the face of the character he was playing. So prosopon means, not just the literal mask, but also the outward appearance or aspect of a thing, as distinct from its inward substance. The face of a person, then, is in a sense his prosopon. And in fact, one of the things that “person” meant in old-fashioned English of even a few decades ago was appearance, aspect or face.

Son: So are the Persons of the Trinity just three different outward aspects of the one God?

Father: No. God does have different appearances to us creatures, depending on our situation; but the Persons are not “nothing but” those different appearances. That’s actually a pretty serious heresy, called modalism.

Son: Well then, why does the Church use the word “person” for the Trinity?

Father: Let’s dig deeper into the word. Prosopon is made up of two parts. First is the prefix pro, which stands for a bunch of different things: at, near, by, to, towards, with, with regard to; so, our nearest English equivalent is probably “for.” Second is the word ops, which also means a bunch of things: to see with the eyes, to perceive, to experience, to know, to beware, to care for or take heed of, and so forth. These are its primary meanings. Only secondarily does it mean what we take it to mean when we think of an actor’s mask: to be seen, to show oneself, to appear. And that this meaning of “appearance” is secondary makes sense: only if you are angry on the inside, for example, are you likely to appear angry on the outside.

Son: So, prosopon means …?

Father: Well, it seems to mean something like, “thing for seeing with the mind, for perceiving or knowing.” And then it also means, “thing for appearing or showing oneself.”

Son: I look out through my face, or with my face – and my face looks like the sort of person who is looking out through my face, so that if I am looking out while feeling angry, the face I look out through is likely to look angry to other people.

Father: Yes.

Son: So a person, like a face, is a thing for seeing the world – a thing that sees, and knows, and experiences. And, like a face, a person looks to others like the sort of things that it sees in the world. It puts out to the world what it sees.

Father: Yes.

Son: So to an angry person, the world looks angry. And if the world looks angry to you, you are probably going to feel angry yourself; and so then you will look angry to the world. Same with a happy person, or a sad person, or a really excited person.

Father: Yes.

Son: So the person of me is the one who is seeing the world, reflecting back what it sees.

Father: Yes. And the way that the David of today and the David of twelve years ago can be the same person, even though those two Davids are quite different things, is that the person of David is a certain consistent way of looking at the world, that is just yours. Every parent has seen this. A child of two has the same basic attitude toward the world as that same child at eight, at ten, at twenty.

Son: So that’s how my person is consistent from before birth to right now. I can see that. Things have happened to me that have changed parts of my attitude to the world. I’m older and less innocent. Some pretty bad things have happened to us, and that has changed my idea of what sort of place the world is. But I still feel basically the same way about things. I’m still me, and I recognize in myself today the me that I remember from when I was little.

Father: Me, too. One way of thinking about it is that the you of today includes everything of the yous of all your yesterdays.

Son: I see. That’s just a different way of saying that I am the same as the boy of the Burrito Incident. [smiles in happy recollection] That boy is the same as me. He is inside me.

Father: [chuckles] Right. You are the same person, appearing in lots of things over time. Each of those things is subtly different from all the others, but what they all have in common is the person of you. The boy who laughed so hard during the Burrito Incident is here right now, even though his body is gone, along with the Incident.

Son: What about God?

Father: You are one person in many things. God is three Persons in one thing.

The Shield of the Trinity

Son: OK. You say the words, but I don’t see what they mean. How can you have three Persons in one thing? Why only one thing?

Father: Well, it’s only one thing with God, because if there were more than one thing that was God, that would raise the question which one was superior. And that one would be the only one we could call God, properly speaking, because the others would be dependent upon it.

Son: All right, so God has to be one thing. How can you have three persons in one thing? I know it isn’t like the string quartet.

Father: Right. It’s like the person that is you today, that includes the you of yesterday, and that includes the you at the time of the Burrito Incident. The you of today includes those other yous, but not in the way a box contains a ball or a collection of fruit includes an apple, nor in the way that a computer includes a CPU and some RAM. The you of now includes the you of yesterday by knowing him and reiterating him – doing him over again, albeit with some additions. The you of yesterday is in the you of today, not like the yarn is in the basket, but more in the way that the basket of yesterday is in the basket of today. If the basket had been stained yesterday, then the basket of today would be stained, too.

Son: OK. I think I see. And the basket of day before yesterday, that was not yet stained – that’s in the stained basket of today.

Father: Right.

Son: And that’s how the Son includes the Father, and the Father includes the Son. And it’s the same between each of them and the Holy Ghost.

Father: Correct. Now, with you, there can be one person that includes lots of things. But with God, all those inclusions have to be within one thing. So the Divine Persons are all within one thing. Each of the Persons includes both the others. But their relations of inclusion are all within the one thing that is God.

Son: Why is there more than one Person in God? Why are there inclusions in God?

Father: Well, if God were just one Person, he wouldn’t be able to know anything about himself. He would just be, and would know everything *except* himself. That seems like a silly idea. It seems that in order to be the ultimate being, he would have to know everything. And to be omniscient, he would surely have to know himself, too. So he has to look at himself. And that can only be done by a person, a thing for looking or knowing. So the Father has to have a Son, a mind who knows the Father, and is the perfect image of the Father. Then the Father, in knowing the Son, would automatically know what the Son knows of the Father. So that way, the Father could know himself.

Son: What about the Holy Spirit?

Father: Well, just as the Father needs to know himself in the Son in order to know himself at all, so the Father and the Son need to know their knowledge of each other as it is known to a third, in order to know that knowledge themselves. The Son is the Father’s way of knowing himself. The Spirit is the way that the Father and Son know that they know each other.

Son: OK, so let me see if I get this. First there is the Father, and then there is the Son who knows the Father, and then there is the Holy Ghost who knows the Father and the Son knowing each other.

Father: Right, except for one thing: the word “then” should not appear in that sentence.

Son: How come?

Father: Because God is one single thing. He is all at once. The Father is not wholly the Father without his knowledge of his Son’s knowledge of him, nor is he fully the Father without his knowledge of the Holy Ghost’s knowledge of the relationship between the Father and the Son. So, it is not as though there was a time for a while when there was only the Father, without the Son or the Spirit. No, you can’t get the Father at all without getting the Son and the Spirit. It’s a package deal. So all three Persons are eternal, and equal: you can’t have any one of them without having all three.

Son: OK. So there is one being, God, and he has three different things for knowing, three different things that know. Does that mean that the Persons are three different minds?

Father: I think it does, yes. There are three minds in the one being of God.

Son: Thanks, Dad. I think I understand.

Father: You don’t. I don’t, either. We understand our own concepts, maybe. Maybe. That’s a very different thing than understanding God. At best, all we have done here today is clear up the confusions created by our own use of language. But once you’ve cleared away all the conceptual confusions that get in the way of seeing God, you still have to turn and look at him yourself – you have to get your prosopon in gear.

HERE IS SOME MORE FROM OUR HOLY BIBLE..

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Treasury of Scripture

Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

Have.

Mark 9:19 He answers him, and said, O faithless generation, how long shall …

he.

John 14:7,20 If you had known me, you should have known my Father also: and from …

John 12:45 And he that sees me sees him that sent me.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his …

New International Version
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?

English Standard Version
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

New American Standard Bible 
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '?

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, "Have I been among you all this time without your knowing Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father?

International Standard Version
"Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me?" Jesus asked him. "The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 

NET Bible
Jesus replied, "Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua said to him, “All this time I am with you and you have not known me Phillip? Whoever has seen me has seen The Father, and how do you say, 'Show us The Father'?”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus replied, "I have been with all of you for a long time. Don't you know me yet, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Jubilee Bible 2000
Jesus said unto him, Have I been such a long time with you, and yet thou hast not known me, Philip? He that has seen me has seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

King James 2000 Bible
Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long a time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

American King James Version
Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

American Standard Version
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? 

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus says to him, Am I so long a time with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? He that has seen me has seen the Father; and how sayest thou, Shew us the Father?

English Revised Version
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Shew us the Father?

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus saith to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Weymouth New Testament
"Have I been so long among you," Jesus answered, "and yet you, Philip, do not know me? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can *you* ask me, 'Cause us to see the Father'?

World English Bible
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?'

Young's Literal Translation

Jesus saith to him, 'So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the father?


Wednesday, 10 June 2015

A very simple belief system

A VERY SIMPLE BELIEF SYSTEM...

IF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS, THEN I BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN FIND TRUE HAPPINESS...

NUMBER ONE...MOST IMPORTANT OF ALLLLLLL.!!!!!!!

BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED..


TRY YOUR VERY BEST TO FOLLOW HIM BY MAKING HIM KNOWN TO OTHERS...



YOUR HANDBOOK WILL BE THE HOLY BIBLE BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS...

YOUR EMPHASIS WILL BE ON THE RED LETTER WORDS, THE SPOKEN WORDS AND INSTRUCTIONS OF JESUS CHRIST, THE MESSIAH, LORD,  MASTER AND PERSONAL SAVIOUR IN THE FOUR GOSPELS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

THEN THERE IS ONE THING THAT YOU HAVE TO REALISE ABOUT HOW THE ENEMY WORKS..

IT'S VERY SIMPLE.....

MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS....

MONEY MEANS TEMPORAL EARTHLY POWER...

JESUS SAID THAT WE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MONEY..

YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER AND THEN STICK TO IT...

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT..

GOD HAS DESIGNED US IN SUCH A WAY THAT NOTHING CAN SATISFY OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, NOTHING CAN MAKE US ETERNALLY HAPPY EXCEPT KNOWING, LOVING AND TRYING TO OBEY HIM....

SATAN OR LUCIFER AS HE IS CALLED BY THE ELITE WILL HAVE YOU TO BE DECEIVED THAT ONLY IF YOU COULD AMASS ENOUGH CASH..

QUADRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THEN OF COURSE YOU WILL BE HAPPY BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN RULE AND CONTROL COUNTRIES AND ARMIES AND POPULATIONS...

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT IN A NUT SHELL... 

LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS..

THE SO RROWFUL MYSTERIES OF THE MOST HOLY ROSARY

THE SORROWFUL MYSTERIES OF THE MOST HOLY ROSARY IN DRAMATIC PICTURES.. please watch carefully and learn what a powerful and brilliant, meaningful prayer this is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch the whole drama on YouTube at the following link


Captions for the pictures....
No.1. MARY suffering suffering suffering....her own tortured child lies dead in her arms!!

No.2. 33year flash back in her engraved memory!!

No.3. The LUCIFERIAN children of satan watch on in glee!!

No.4.  Our Lord stumbles from exhaustion from his murderous cruel flogging!!

No.5. Crucified..murdered..tortured to death for MY SINS and yours too, IF AND ONLY IF you believe!!

No.6. He could have beckoned a million angels to deal a deathly blow to the Roman army and the wicked murderous Jews, instead HE PERSEVERED AND ENDURED the cross despising the shame....JUST OUT OF TOTAL LOVE FOR YOU AND ME...

BILDEBERGER 2015

BILDEBERG 2015
WATCH AND LEARN THE TRUTH THAT WILL SET YOU FREE!!!

THE ANTI ANTICHRIST

THE ANTI ANTICHRIST!!!!!!!
 
REMEMBER THE EYES ARE THE WINDOWS OF THE SOUL!!!!!

WE ALL KNOW THAT THE WEST IS TOTALLY IN THE HANDS OF LUCIFERIAN BANKSTERS LEAD FOR THE LAST TWO HUNDRED YEARS BY THE ROTHCHILD DYNASTY, COMING OUT OF GERMANY'S FINANCIAL CAPITAL FRANKFURT...
WESTERN POLITICIANS ARE TO A MAN DICTATED TO BY THESE MAFIA CRIMINALS WHO KNOW THE TRUE MEANING OF..."""MONEY TALKS!!!!!! AND BULLSHIT WALKS!!!!!!"""

SO I INVITE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING PICTURES OF THE ANTI ANTICHRIST!!!!!!! AND THE CAPTIONS PRINTED BELOW!!!!!!!i
First picture....A MAN OF ACTION BUT INTELLIGENTLY SO
Second picture....you will not succeed in throttling me into submission!!